Chapter Twelve Page 10

posted 13th Nov 2017, 10:24 AM

Chapter Twelve Page 10
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13th Nov 2017, 10:24 AM

Saeriellyn

Well that moment of sweetness was short-lived.

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13th Nov 2017, 11:30 AM

Wass

wow reading this has been great keep up the good work :)

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13th Nov 2017, 5:15 PM

Saeriellyn

Thanks, glad you enjoyed!

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13th Nov 2017, 2:40 PM

LMS

I think you're cheating. :P

It's your prerogative, after all. Your adaptation. But you are cutting the huge, dramatic overreaction. "You didn't care if *I* was in danger. Taran of Caer Dallben, I'm not speaking to you!" If I remember right. I don't have my book on me. The cut makes Eilonwy look much more sympathetic and genuine here. Nice bit of editing to your own perspective. (And you can take that from an editor.) But I just want you to know that *I* noticed.

Your expressions are great as always. I love how Fflewddur is every bit as shocked as Taran at first but gets it a lot quicker.

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13th Nov 2017, 5:10 PM

Saeriellyn

SPOILERS



LOL, well, you're almost right; but you're confusing it with something which actually takes place in the /next/ scene. In my head that is a more explosive reaction than this one, because it's the SECOND time; he's had time to THINK about it and the idiot boy STILL DOESN'T GET IT. XD

I did excise the "you didn't care if /I/ was in danger" line because it seemed to belabor the point a little. In translating to the visual medium, I sometimes find it flows better to break up large dialog chunks into more back-and-forth segments between characters, and once I did that here, the line became unnecessary - it's very obvious from her expression what she was hoping he cared about. ;)

It is still heavily influenced by my interpretation of her, I admit!

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25th Jun 2018, 9:48 PM

Heart of the Heroes, Ride

Ah, but "I'm not speaking to you!" is SUCH a leitmotif and we missed out on the first instance... ah well.

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13th Nov 2017, 3:04 PM

Guest

This tallies well with my memory! Lovely, as always.

Fflewddur gives Taran a look of experience in the sixth panel! Which makes perfect sense, but L.A. never gives us any hint that Fflewddur might have had any love in his life besides his harp and his dreams. It contributes to the feeling that he is more foolish and innocent than Taran, despite being the grown up, and a King. I like your version.

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13th Nov 2017, 5:13 PM

Saeriellyn

Oh, I think Fflewddur's been around the block. Multiple times. You don't have a personality like his without it - but most of the relationships would be fun and frivolous. In my headcanon he's had one serious love affair that couldn't go anywhere because she's a gypsy and he knows she'd be miserable as a queen, so they can't stay together but she's always there at the back of his mind, keeping him from really falling for anybody else.

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14th Nov 2017, 3:03 AM

CA

Interesting take on FF's backstory, I can totally buy that! Have you ever noticed that Prydain is full of a lot of single, childless men in prominent leadership roles? It's interesting because in other fantasy stories (and the real Middle Ages for that matter) there's such an emphasis on the line of succession, having heirs, etc., and here it's the complete opposite.

I wonder if this was an intentional choice by Alexander or just coincidence? It doesn't really impact the main story, and you only catch it rereading as an adult--it's just an interesting contrast to similar works. It also leaves plenty of room to develop backstory in you head. Who knows, maybe it will be explored in more detail if they ever make it into films :)

Just an interesting aside here that your comment reminded me of, but another awesome panel. You've done a great job with T and E here, they're the best!

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13th Nov 2017, 6:15 PM

MK_Wizard

So true. Boys. With all the time they take not understanding us, do they ever stop to think that sometimes we don't get them? Lol.

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15th Nov 2017, 3:25 AM

Saeriellyn

Tale as old as time...

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13th Nov 2017, 9:46 PM

CM

Fflewdawg's expressions here are fantastic.

"What the--??

"Hmmm."

"Ahh. That's it. Kids."

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15th Nov 2017, 3:25 AM

Saeriellyn

lol. Fflewddur's expressions really are fun. And a helpful bit of comic relief/commentary on the interactions of everyone else.

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14th Nov 2017, 10:51 AM

mjkj

Awwww... poor Eilonwy... =S *hugs and comforts her...*

Beautiful <3

Eilonwy is so beautiful here also <3

...also the lighting coinciding with Eilonwy's mood - perfect

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15th Nov 2017, 3:26 AM

Saeriellyn

Thank you! I probably make her too pretty, really, but I can't get away from it.

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15th Nov 2017, 12:20 AM

Rob S.

Aw...Eilonwy is so disappointed in the first panel!

And Fflewddur, of course, is all "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." I get the feeling he could say more, but figures kids have to learn these things for themselves.

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15th Nov 2017, 3:26 AM

Saeriellyn

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15th Nov 2017, 5:52 AM

Rob S.

I should also say that I really like the two-panel Taran/Fflewddur sequence with the identical-shaped panels. I like how Taran's head ties them together (come to think of it, both characters extend beyond the panel border), and quickens the pacing a little between the two moments. Nicely done!

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16th Nov 2017, 5:09 AM

joeyballast

Fflewddur's expression in panel 3 is pure gold.

Almost like he's been in Taran's shoes at one point.

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20th Nov 2017, 2:24 AM

Saeriellyn

I expect he’s been there a few times really.

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10th Feb 2018, 12:48 AM

Thracecius

I know Taran's the hero and all, but Om My Dear Lord...Fflewddur's expression in panel 3 set me to howling. There's something to be said about surprising an adult that much. ;D

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10th Feb 2018, 1:06 PM

Saeriellyn

LOL! Well, Fflewddur is my comic relief gold. And though he is surprised in panel 3, by panel 6 it’s obvious he’s the only one who really knows what’s going on here!

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13th Feb 2018, 11:55 PM

Thracecius

Yes, well, he does have prior experience in that area, so even if he's not an 'expert', he's certainly a journeyman. ALL of his expressions really made this whole page fabulous ON TOP OF the beautiful lighting and composition. :)

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29th Nov 2019, 4:03 AM

Arzanyos

Apologies for commenting on a two year old strip to complain, but I was rereading the whole thing(Which I love, by the way. It's a masterfully done adaption of possibly my favorite book series. I cannot stress enough how much I like it.), and this part just kept bugging me the whole time.

I agree with LMS, that you're cheating here. In the book, Taran's first line of this page is actually from last page, before Eilonwy tells him it's the first polite thing he's said to her. She tells him that and then immediately gets angry with him, without him saying anything in between. It's a minor change, but it does shift the tone from "Taran stepped on an unexpected landmine there" to "Taran's being an idiot again." My two cents.

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29th Nov 2019, 12:31 PM

Saeriellyn

Hey, you’re allowed to have two-year-old opinions. I love that anyone is still going back and re-reading!

Everyone has their own interpretation, naturally, and I suppose I won’t please all every time. If I recall correctly, my edits here were in service of the narrative flow of each page more than anything, since I try to let each composition be its own mini-story, so to speak. Her final line to him in the previous page was the emotional show-stopper, and adding the abrupt mood switch there and her additional dialog would have ruined the climax. I could have begun this page with her next lines, true, but it felt like an odd way to set the scene when she was so suffused and pleased a moment before. Having Taran get self-conscious, backtrack and explain himself gave him more to do to round out the scene (and gives insight into his developing attitude toward her) and have a more balanced back-and-forth dialog within the page composition. I didn’t intend to make him look insensitive, quite the opposite; he’s still trying to compliment her but is too flustered and inexperienced to know how, and her reaction is still wildly, irrationally over-sensitive and trigger-y.

That’s what was in my mind, at any rate; I don’t make changes just to make changes. I’m sorry it bugs you, but thrilled that you’re engaged enough with the material to have an opinion!

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15th Apr 2020, 9:11 AM

Leader Dessler

Matter of fact, Alexander is performing an interesting psychological study here. For a first-time reader it may be easy to dismiss Eilonwy as an erratic teen girl. But the background of her response is clear when we take into account that she has all her life shared the common fate of royal daughters as a pawn in someone else's power-game who has rarely if at all been acknowledged - not to mention respected - as a person. (And this characteristic of Prydainic society Fflewddur may allude to in his "We're not supposed to know" line.) Now she desperately wishes this had changed and she had finally found family - and Taran straightaway slams the door on her expressing, as she misinterprets it, that she is still only a useful tool and does not deserve a bit of human dignity.

I am of the opinion, though, that her additional line in the book is serving it too much on a silver tablet. Alexander may have added it as a concession to his younger audience to get the point across; but Taran had effectively tried to pull her out of the line of fire and her accusation is therefore an inconsistency in the plot. Their scene plays out more subtly if that piece is cut out, as you have done here.

(I wonder what is going on in Fflewddur's mind. Has he ever been offered a princess like a chest of jewels before?)

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15th Apr 2020, 12:49 PM

Saeriellyn

I’ve always read Fflewddur’s line as just a wry nod to the mystery of the female mind. 😅 I suspect he has encountered trouble in that area more than once, and no doubt as a king he has dealt with expectations of marrying and for whatever reason dismissed them. I have my own ideas on that, but they are definitely apocryphal!

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15th Apr 2020, 8:31 PM

Leader Dessler

That would make him look a bit superficial, wouldn't it? As a wandering bard he has the benefit of observing the society of Prydain virtually from the outside and commenting on it. He knows the standards, or has figured them out, but he would be unwise to subscribe to them.

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15th Apr 2020, 10:25 PM

Saeriellyn

In my mind, his reasons aren't superficial at all - I think he's an artist, with an artist's idealism, and the hero of his own internal narrative, and thus nothing less than the noblest and most chivalrous of high romance would do for him. And that's tough to find even in the best of circumstances.

Ultimately his wandering foot would keep him single though. No sensible queen would put up with it. He'd probably get on well with a girl from a nomadic tribe who would take to his traipsing about the countryside fine, but then balk at the expectations of being his queen.

In the end, Llyan is enough companionship for one such as he. :)

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16th Apr 2020, 7:58 AM

Leader Dessler

Soulmates of a sort! :-D

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