ChapterTwelve page twelve

posted 27th Nov 2017, 9:29 AM

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27th Nov 2017, 9:29 AM

Saeriellyn

Insomnia posting. Awake enough to click buttons but not enough to come up with clever comments.

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27th Nov 2017, 2:13 PM

mjkj

*lol* still no real apology - but Eilonwy seems to accept his effort...

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27th Nov 2017, 6:29 PM

Saeriellyn

Since she’s not the most tactful person herself, I’d say they’re about even now.

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28th Nov 2017, 10:41 PM

Honzinator

Amen to that about Eilonwy needing to do some apologizing. I know it isn't much of a thing in Anglo-American (considering how Celtic this all is, yes, that's a wild misnomer), but putting the lad down socially so very crudely is not something we ought to get used to ... though we do.
Still, better to count things to be grateful for than to hoard our grievances ... and that goes for protagonists, too.

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30th Nov 2017, 2:43 AM

Saeriellyn

Every character needs an arc. Hers is more subtle than his unless you squint. But in a visual medium, I get to do that for you. :)

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8th Dec 2017, 2:12 AM

The Doodler

This comic made me realize how much their arcs mirror each other -- they both learn that it's more important to be a good person (in its coolest sense) and a "great person" (famous, impressive). Or something. It's late here.

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9th Dec 2017, 4:35 AM

Saeriellyn

I get you. ;)

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7th Dec 2017, 2:38 PM

Prince Rhun

I don't think she is putting him down socially. Throughout she treats "assistant pig-keeper" as something like a species she is discovering things about, which is where the humor comes from. She talks about having seen heroes, bards, and monsters in the dungeons, but this is the first assistant pig keeper she's met. So it's like a creature with its own nature to discover. So she is never putting him down when she says things like "I imagine assistant pig keepers are slow about some things." It is her naivety not realizing that assistant pig keeper is more like a job than a kind of creature that is what makes it funny. She thinks Taran is an example of assistant pig keepers, and she's learning their nature from this specimen. Taran's reaction is always funny when she does this because he doesn't know how to respond, he can't quite put his finger on how she's thinking about it all wrong, he's dumbfounded, he can't figure out how to explain to her her mistake, which is what makes it funny.

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9th Dec 2017, 4:35 AM

Saeriellyn

That is an insightful and amusing way to look at the whole thing!

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27th Nov 2017, 2:57 PM

LMS

Poor Eilonwy. The way you present her expressions and waffling here, she knows she was wrong to misunderstand him like she did and that she really ought to have known better, but she can't bring herself to say so. She's at once insulting him because she's embarrassed about her mistake and feels vulnerable and trying to walk it back because she doesn't actually want to be mean. Luckily for her, from his expression, Taran's starting to get that and doesn't hold it against her. They're really good kids, underneath all the prickly misunderstanding (Eilonwy) and rash bluster (Taran) and general naivete (both of them).

I love the way you manage to portray what's going on behind what they're actually saying.

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27th Nov 2017, 6:33 PM

Saeriellyn

Actually I interpret this as more of her giving him the benefit of the doubt. “I realize nothing in your experience has adequately prepared you to deal with my insecurities so I’m giving you a pass here because I really like you otherwise.” And it all comes out wrong because she has no idea how to be tactful, or understanding of her own culpability in this drama.

Your interpretation works too, though. It’s a weird exchange in some ways, and I didn’t really get a grip on it until I was halfway through the page.

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28th Nov 2017, 10:42 PM

Honzinator

As in the Bible, there are many ways to read that. OK, not nearly as many as in the Bible, but lots and lots ... enough to qualify as having touched the Divine.

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30th Nov 2017, 2:42 AM

Saeriellyn

I like that Lloyd wrote things simply enough that each reader can come away with the story with different interpretations, depending on what we each bring to the table.

And in this case nobody gets burned at the stake (literally or figuratively) for interpreting things differently than those who have proclaimed themselves the leading authorities. Seeking the Divine is a risky business sometimes.

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27th Nov 2017, 5:20 PM

thing 1

she's lousy at saying "thank you".

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27th Nov 2017, 6:34 PM

Saeriellyn

She hasn’t had much practice.

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28th Nov 2017, 10:44 PM

Guest

Tell me about it. Poor Eilonwy was apprenticed out to a champion grievance collector. Like the worst of them, that witch was a serial killer. All concerned with her own feelings and such.
The children can learn from bad as well as good examples ...

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30th Nov 2017, 2:34 AM

Saeriellyn

The more I think about it, the more I want to know Achren's story. And it HAS to be more than: "sympathetic heroine gets jilted by jerk and turns evil" which I'm sure has its own entry in the trope encyclopedia by now.

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30th Nov 2017, 2:17 PM

Honzinator

If you're up for reading a 15 book "trilogy" where a main character/villain has that bio, though, frankly, the seed was always there, there's Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series (finished by Brandon Sanderson after the author's death).
Her name is Lanfear. http://wot.wikia.com/wiki/Lanfear
And, of course, Lilith from Judaism, Adam's first wife, and Tolkien's vision of the temptation of Lady Galadriel, "All shall love me, and despair" and "beautiful and terrible as the sea". Chilling lines.
I'm obviously smitten by Tolkien's character the most ... and not just because she resisted temptation. The inspiration for the works, besides the Platonic dialogue fo the ring, was his nearly doomed and definitely forbidden love for his wife, which inspired Aragon love for his guardian, Elrond's, daughter Arwen. Like Lanfear, she was queen of the night in the chivalric telling of Gimli and Legolas.

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30th Nov 2017, 4:47 PM

Saeriellyn

Wheel of Time sounds familiar...I think I may have started the first one, maybe, years ago, but didn’t get into it...iirc, it felt a little too much like a Tolkien mimicry.

I should read Lilith by MacDonald again; I’ve forgotten what her arc is. I guess I can imagine Achren as a Galadriel gone bad...combined with my head canon of a matriarch deposed and made obsolete by a patriarchical warrior culture.

I didn’t know that about Tolkien and his wife, now I want to research that. It’s the Beren/Luthien story he patterned after them isn’t it? At least that’s what’s on her gravestone, I think?

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1st Dec 2017, 2:41 PM

Honzinator

For what it is worth, I approve of your choice not to dive into the Wheel of Times series (I got through almost all of it as audiobooks when I traveled a lot and don't regret it, but realize what a time suck it can be, and am aware of the author's shortcomings), though it all seems a bit Tolkien Derivative these days at times. (I also approve of your choice to run spell-check, unlike the comment of mine which you responded to.)
Beren Luthien and Aragorn Arwen both hit the highlights, but if I tell people Beren Luthien, the effect is different. There's that whole Anglo-Catholic grandee as opposed to a merely promising academic thing going on too in the real-life version. Tolkien was a very family fellow, and his Tales from Father Christmas seem to me more fun for kid-inclusive families even than Kipling's Just-So Stories, especially if you have the watercolours they contributed and imagine the scene, Yule Log and all.

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2nd Dec 2017, 5:26 AM

Saeriellyn

Oh yes I love his Father Christmas letters. I tend to get snippy in debating well-meaning friends who equate doing the Santa thing with "lying to children", and that book is always one I bring up as an example of how it's meant to be incorporated as a mythos and story that hits something deep in the human psyche and as such, is very "real" - just not real in the literal sense. Alas, modern culture doesn't get that concept particularly well...not everyone can understand myth like the inklings did I guess.

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23rd Jan 2018, 1:36 AM

mantis

A lot more people start reading "The Wheel of Time" than finish it. I stopped reading toward the end of book five. It's the series that inspired (if that's the right word) the sf and fantasy writer Dorothy Jones Heydt to coin the Eight Deadly Words: "I don't care what happens to these people." Robert Jordan's world-building is impressive, but his character development leaves much to be desired.

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24th Jan 2018, 8:56 PM

Nef

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Agreed. I actually finished the series and to be honest, I loved the Sanderson books more than the Jordan ones. It felt satisfying at the end, though, so I recommend them (unless you simply cannot survive the middle).

The same thing happened to me with Piers Anthony's Incarnations of Immortality. Loved the first book (on a Pale Horse), but then the next ones are somewhere between ho-hum and bad. Then the next to last is actually rewarding and the last one challenges the first for best in the series. I don't have sales figures, but I feel that the middle books have probably kept many potential readers away from the satisfying ending.

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28th Nov 2017, 3:07 AM

CA

So much good expression here. These two are perfect for each other! And the night scenes look so neat.

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30th Nov 2017, 4:59 PM

Saeriellyn

They are indeed!

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30th Nov 2017, 5:37 AM

joeyballast

"You took long enough getting around to it"

I inwardly cringed since I'm certain that Taran's in for much much worse as time goes on.

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30th Nov 2017, 4:57 PM

Saeriellyn

Well, the relationship improves eventually, but she never stops being mildly acerbic - thankfully; she wouldn’t be nearly as much fun otherwise. Taran’s so melodramatic and her pragmatism and outspokenness are foils that keep him from being insufferable. And vice-versa.

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1st Dec 2017, 4:27 AM

RhymesoftheRenegades

Since Illinois has been a shuttin up till now, I'll give her a pass for severely underestimated how fast pigs can move

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2nd Dec 2017, 5:14 AM

Saeriellyn

She's probably never seen a live pig in her life - which is true of most of us, I daresay.

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8th Dec 2017, 12:37 AM

Bill the Otter

Im soo sad. I spent like 2 hours not doing homework to read all this that I just found today. I love the Chronicles of Prydain and I have met very few people who have actually read this.

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8th Dec 2017, 2:29 AM

Saeriellyn

Welcome Bill! Don't worry, I have not given up on this. Next page should be up in the next couple days, and I am pretty consistent on it, with the occasional hiccup when life takes over. I average about a page a week. Glad you've enjoyed it!

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9th Dec 2017, 3:58 AM

Skyboy91

I just found this today too. I've loved these books all my life (I'm 55) and I've always felt they never got the respect they deserve. I'm just glad I could pass them on to my kids (original Library editions, don't ask). And I'm glad there are others out there that feel the same way. You've created a thing of beauty that captures the essence of what LA wrote. Thank You for making my day, and more.

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9th Dec 2017, 4:27 AM

Saeriellyn

My very great pleasure, thank YOU for taking the time to comment!

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